Blender4Dental Brothers: From Jewelry to Jaws

Antonello Croce (host)  00:36

Hello, everyone. This is next dental podcast, and I am Antonello Croce. I am a dental technician and digital dentistry consultant, founder and CEO of Metadac, inventor and ambassador of a digital flow in dentistry. Today, I will be the host of this podcast. And our guests are Mike and Wolfgang Teiniker, so called Blender4Dental Brothers, the founders of Blender4Dental software, pioneering digital dentistry with 3d modeling solutions, originally from Australia.  Thank you Remedico for sponsoring this podcast. Hello guys! How are you?

Wolfgang Teiniker  01:19

Hi, Antonello, thanks for having us and to the Next Dental. Really appreciate being here. It's fantastic, actually. You know, being in Dubai, can you believe it? Blender4Dental has come such a long way, so we're happy to be here and meet everybody.

Antonello Croce (host)  01:40

Welcome to Dubai! And how is Dubai, how is the weather? How did you enjoy Dubai during these last days?

Mike Teiniker  01:47

I would say it's hot.

Wolfgang Teiniker  01:50

We had 43 feels like 51 that's quite ready.

Antonello Croce (host)  01:56

It's quite hot, but in November, like it's coming cooler.

Mike Teiniker  02:01

It's better. Now. People are coming out of their homes. The streets are filling up. Shopping Centers are always full because they're air conditioned. Little bit too cold for my liking.

Antonello Croce (host)  02:13

We need to spend time in the all the Mall of the Dubai. That's what I'm going to enjoy when it's too hot for the who is listening? What is Blender4Dental? Blender4Dental software is maybe you have heard about Blender, but not about Blender4Dental. Or Blender4Dental is a digital dentistry solution built on blender and open source 3d modeling software helping professionals design crowns, bridges and guides. And maybe you have heard about the famous IBar during the last month. The first question is, how everything started, about this developing of this blender for dental?

Mike Teiniker  03:08

Well, Blender is software. It's actually free to download from anyone can download blender. So Blender4Dental is 'blender' for 'dental'. So it's an obvious name to use.

Wolfgang Teiniker  03:22

Well, it's quite sometimes a bit confusing. You know, blender in German, it's like a mixer to make smoothies and processes. So it's a little bit weird the name, but it's very relevant for Blender4Dental. Actually, it originated in Australia. We both from Australia originally, and yeah, before, actually, before COVID hit. I think

Mike Teiniker  03:50

That's when we that's when we started, yeah, for dental. But we were, we were using Blender for a long time before we even started Blender4Dental.

Antonello Croce (host)  03:59

You know, we you were using for dental practice or?

Mike Teiniker  04:03

 No non dental stuff. And of course, blender for dental is such a long word, most people just say B for D. You know, B for D. Just short, sometimes, you know, the 4 looks like a bed B4D. Yeah. So I would say 10 years ago it started.

Wolfgang Teiniker  04:23

But initially you started with making jewelry, yeah, that's, that's right. So 10 years ago, sort of, you know, I mean being a dental technician is, it's, it's a difficult job.

Antonello Croce (host)  04:35

You are both dental technicians?

Mike Teiniker  04:37

Yes, 30 years, crown and bridge work veneers.

Wolfgang Teiniker  04:42

We both had separate, our own independent businesses back then, yes, in analog way. Yeah, crown and bridge and analog, you know, mixing plaster.

Mike Teiniker  04:52

Coming from South Africa. Okay, we both studied in South Africa, and then we traveled with Wolfgang, went to Germany, and then to New Zealand, and then I joined them in New Zealand, and we had a practice there was quite good, yeah.

Wolfgang Teiniker  05:08

So we kind of journeyed the whole spectrum of dentistry, doing dental laboratory work, running a surgery and even from experience wise, dental technology was a little bit different in South Africa than in Germany. In Germany, you know, modern laboratories working with full rehabilitation. So it was a great learning curve.

Mike Teiniker  05:33

So I would say 10 years ago, it's started. My my blender journey started 10 years

Antonello Croce (host)  05:40

Okay, and blender is an open source and it's a free software to download. So what about B4D? So B4D, like, it's developing add-ons?

Mike Teiniker  05:52

Yeah, correct. So, you know, in just before COVID, we started, actually was quite weird, because we started Blender4Dental and Wolfgang was the first one to say, I'm going to close my doors. I'm not going to go back to work. And when he says, I'm going to close my doors, he actually, literally meant it, because working from home, he got a builder in, and he shot the plaster the door.

Wolfgang Teiniker  06:22

I couldn't physically get into the lab. That was during the COVID. We it was a downturn. So to be COVID, they remember, yeah.

Mike Teiniker  06:31

For me, it was a little bit more daunting. You know, that being a dental technician was my job doing Blender4Dental part time. It was a little bit hard to juggle, you know, coming home from work and then developing

Wolfgang Teiniker  06:44

I guess it's working the laboratory and then going back to the computer and then finding that time, but yeah.

Mike Teiniker  06:52

And then, actually, COVID was really good for the two of us. You know, we just packed up and, you know, closed shop and said: We can do this now.

Antonello Croce (host)  07:03

What was the first project that you started with, like the first module that you developed for?

Mike Teiniker  07:09

Well, okay, the first project, project that I've ever done. And, well, I didn't actually do it because I was listed with a company called Shapeways in the US as a designer. And the first project, I had someone contact me with a prototype of a gun. Really print a gun. But of course, I couldn't do it because it's, it's illegal, even though we can print almost anything. Yeah, at that stage, no. But then we developed the the model making, model design, model design. 

Wolfgang Teiniker  07:47

No. But before that we we found it difficult with because we only have a few CAD software programs out there at the time. More are coming on board now. But suddenly my clients were going: 'Oh, you've got to get this and that', communicate software, download this, STL. I did not even know what STL means, yeah, now I've got to, you know, pay towards this communication program to even get the file from my dentist client that I've worked for years. So it was kind of daunting, frustrating. And then, I said to Michael, you know, we've got to start making crowns with Blender, you know, hurry up, yeah, and that's exactly what we did.

Mike Teiniker  08:32

So I find myself also in that awkward situation. You know, the our job from working with hands is transforming into digital and, you know, this is a huge there was a huge issue for me, because I didn't really know what to do. And, you know, we need to evolve. You know, every career needs to evolve. And this was, this was like a crossroads. And, you know, being having my own laboratory, I would have this enormous expenses outlay to pay for software. You know, there's other CAD softwares out there, but it was totally monopolized.

Antonello Croce (host)  09:14

Yeah, there were, so there were, there were other software. You didn't go in deep

Mike Teiniker  09:18

No, okay, because you needed to subscribe, like a yearly subscription fee. The initial expense was huge. So this was a little bit difficult, and not only for us, but for a lot of other dental laboratories and dentists out there. So we needed an alternative. There was a there was a free program, Meshmixer, a lot, of lot of dentists and dental technicians got into mesh mixer. Mesh mixer is a 3d modeling software that helps dental labs edit scans, design cross disease and prepare models for 3d printing. While its development has been discontinued, it remains available for use, which is a really good program, but I think they've discontinued that.

Wolfgang Teiniker  10:00

Yeah, and it does have some limitations, because each procedure you've got to do again and again. There's no sequence of, you know, in Excel you might get macros and you push something and it does all the calculations for you.

Antonello Croce (host)  10:15

It's used, maybe mostly, to check the mesh analysis tool. Then that export again.

Mike Teiniker  10:21

The problem with Blender is it is so big and it's so very complicated. If you download it, the tools that we have for B4D, they don't exist. You know. You don't have the cutting tools to cut out a scan it just it is there, you know, but you have to replicate it. So every time you want to cut a scan, you've got to do like, two or 300 steps to be able to cut a scan, so that it's not, you know, it becomes unworkable.

Antonello Croce (host)  10:57

The layout still looks. How do you do you think is the layout of the this the B4D software you with the add ons you developed, all this easy step to go from scratch to the end, and what was the feedback from the users that you are getting?

Wolfgang Teiniker  11:16

Yeah, I think that, yeah, like you say that the plugins, we've got various plugins, and you can depending what you want to make digitally. You can then decide which modules you want to use. And we kind of look Blender 4Dental is not wizard driven. We don't have a wizard to go from one step to the next step to the next step.You become the wizard, in some ways, because you learn it. And we've developed, in my opinion, and I hope to say this, that the learning tutorials are pretty precise, and, of course, crossing the language barrier is quite difficult, but we're getting more and more languages on board. So you got to kind of follow the videos and learn. And then it's, in some ways, it's still a step by step. You just follow them in you left to right, and then go down, and then in the end of it, you'll have your model, for example.

Antonello Croce (host)  12:17

Exactly from my experience that there was the first impression. I was like, wow. Like, I start, I don't have to create a patient, like schedule for that restoration. I just start with one scan, and then I can do with that STL file. I can do a crown, and then I switch the module. Just, okay, let's do an Ibar. Okay, that's the coolest thing. I think you can do in before the you don't need to start again from from another files, okay, you can just save that and then proceed with another one. Is that true?

Mike Teiniker  12:53

Well, that's right. And that was a big challenge, because we had one module, the model design, and then we had another one to put a company logo onto a model. And now we've got what, 10 or 11 or 12 modules out there, but then to make them work with each other. That was very, very tricky, but we sort of, there's still a few hiccups now and then. But you know, thanks to our users, you know, if something goes wrong, we can fix it very fast. This is very different to other softwares, isn't?

Wolfgang Teiniker  13:27

Yeah, the development is quick, and it's user based. So you know, they give people give us ideas, or if they, you know, and they are valid, excellent ideas, we'll take those ideas on board, and within days, we'll have the update out.

Antonello Croce (host)  13:43

Yeah, that's about B4D family. It's another thing, yeah, yes, a huge family of before the yeah out there.

Wolfgang Teiniker  13:50

Yeah, that's right, and that's we, you know, we appreciate all the feedback and the way people know each other in the blender for dental community, yeah.

Mike Teiniker  14:01

When you say family, it is a little bit like that because, and I think this is because we've got all of our the the way we've structured, the business model, you know, we've got, we've got instructors. So just say you come along and you love it, and now you want to start teaching B4D to others. You know, we because we need the the level of teaching to be extremely high to be successful. We need to have accredited instructors. If we don't have that, then students will go to an instructor or course, and they'll walk away and think, Oh, this is this doesn't work for me. So our videos and the level of accredited instructors have to be very high. So you come along say, Okay, you want to become a credit instructor, we will actually give you like a like a test, like an exam to follow. And then based on that, well, then you can do your own courses. Yeah, yeah.

Wolfgang Teiniker  14:13

But just touching on that you might not speak English, so yeah, you might be Korean or a student, and you love the software, yeah, you want to teach it to others. So it's a bit daunting, you know, contacting these guys in Australia and so on. You speak, don't speak Korean. So we, we do have agencies now, okay, and these are language specific. So you would contact your language specific agency, and then you can do your accreditation.

Antonello Croce (host)  15:38

It doesn't mean that we where you are, but what language you speak, is that right?

Wolfgang Teiniker  15:45

Yes, that's correct. So,and we've got a big following on Facebook and other social media, probably my kids will go, oh, dad's still on Facebook, hat's just old style, but a lot of users like that. And some mornings, I might wake up and see a post there, and I think, wow, how did this person design this kind of thing? So we really give the dental community the CAD tools to work in Blender, and then the creativity is amazing that comes out of it.

Antonello Croce (host)  16:23

What about the restoration covered with all these modules? How many modules are there more or less?

Wolfgang Teiniker  16:30

At the moment, we've got about 13, 12 or 13, yeah, and some of those are free modules to download.

Antonello Croce (host)  16:37

Oh, that's that's good. And what we can do, or we can do all the restorations with Blender4Dental?

Mike Teiniker  16:43

Almost everything, almost we still have a request for making aligners, orthodontic aligners. We've put that on the top shelf. It's been there for like three years. Blender is really good because it's an animation program, and if you Google 'Blender', and actually, thanks to and credit to the developer, Ton Rosenthal, he was a Dutch artist and as self taught software developer, which is very good. And that started in 94 Yeah, yeah. And that's, that's going back quite one, but if you, you just Google, you know, Blender movies, for example, yeah, okay. And the, the artistic, you know, what you can actually make with Blender is just incredible. You know, architects, user engineers, jewelry makers, video games, for example. So we the core software that we use. We don't change that. Even though it's open source software, and they actually give us license to do with it whatever we want. We can cut it down, we can shape it, but we don't do that. So our modules are additive. So we bring to it, we don't take we don't cut it down, and, you know, make it just work for us and sell it. We don't want to do that. So, so it's just like, from the box, put our modules in, and then the user can enhance their knowledge and actually go outside of what we are teaching to do their own thing.

Antonello Croce (host)  18:30

You don't close like you don't remove all the stuff from Blender basic. You still leave people users to go around blender and

Wolfgang Teiniker  18:40

Like Michael says, that plugins are additive to blender, but they, in itself, lies the big challenge, because blender is always evolving. So we, we decided we'll stay with the LTS. So, you know, once a year they come out with every two years, two years I come out with a new version, and it's really our job to keep Blender4Dental compatible with all of these new developments from Blender. So yeah, Blender is massive. A lot of intelligent people come together to build this amazing, mammoth machine.

Mike Teiniker  19:19

And then all you need to do is look at the graphics.

Wolfgang Teiniker  19:23

Yeah, compared to, you know, some of the other dental CAD softwares, the graphics is that, in my opinion, superior.

Mike Teiniker  19:32

But then you do need a good computer saying that some of our users have these old machines, and they send us, oh, this doesn't work, and that doesn't work, but you need a good graphic card, and you need it up to date, and Wolfgang's got a Mac computer, and I hate Mac...

Antonello Croce (host)  19:49

I am a Pro Mac and when I found blender, oh, I can work with Mac, fantastic. Then I bought my first Mac.

Mike Teiniker  20:01

You're the enemy.  And I don't think there's any other dental programs on Mac.

Antonello Croce (host)  20:13

The new ones. The new ones, yeah, some, some of them are developing for for Mac as well. Yeah, but okay, blender for dental, is it only for dental technician or also for clinics?

Mike Teiniker  20:28

Well, surprisingly, probably about half of our users are dentist.

Wolfgang Teiniker  20:35

Oh, and that so goes the accredited instructors. Probably more than half a dentist, but not only also specialists, periodontists, orthodontists, maxilla facial surgeons. So the Yeah, worldwide, worldwide, yes.

Mike Teiniker  20:53

So that's actually very interesting, because you would think, Oh, well, this is more of a dental laboratory thing, making grounds or whatever. But there is a huge interest in digital work. We've given a course in Dubai, yes, then in the last few days, and you know, dentists are there. They quite enjoy doing this type of work. Maybe it's because they want a deeper understanding of technology, because, if they want to prescribe, say, you know, like a big case, an all on X or something, you know, knowing the intricate details of the capabilities of the software is quite important. And, yeah, so there is a good, big interest in it.

Wolfgang Teiniker  21:40

Having said that, for example, the dentists there, they might have unique workflows. So this is where a wizard driven software is got its downfall.They might want to adopt their own techniques or work digital workflows, which is very difficult to, you know, go through in conventional dental care software, and we can not show, and as you have yesterday, the tools, the technique of, you know, trade designing and, yeah,

Mike Teiniker  22:14

so we make a video. So the tools are all there, we make a video specifically for this dentist, so that he can then follow that in his surgery and he's doing something that other software can't do.

Antonello Croce (host)  22:30

We have to say, what is the main what set apart then the technician to switching from other software, from then to Blender 4 Dental.

Wolfgang Teiniker  22:39

Well, I would say that switching is nice, but it's not necessary, not always necessary, because all the software is a bag of tools that you can use, but you can switch if you want to, although the switch if you used to one particular dental CAD software for years and years and years, all of a sudden you're going to navigate the mass movements are different, and just there's a new learning curve involved, fair enough. And do people often have the time? I think not so. But it's important to, actually, if you want to adopt this free, open source software program and amazing tools that we have, you have to invest a bit of time learning.

Mike Teiniker  23:31

I think you're right there Wolfgang, because it's more like a bag of tools. So so we don't really, we don't want to see as, see us as like competition. You know, you got to switch from this program to this. We don't want to do that. It's a synergy, yeah? It's like, we give you this and, you know, use it if you want to. And our, our add ons, our software is affordable, yeah?

Wolfgang Teiniker  23:51

And like you say, it's affordable, but also we give users the ability to have the software on three computers, yeah, which is amazing, because I might want to work from home a little bit, not too much. And then I've got my computer, you know, laptop you might be on a train or a bus or something, and then at work. So we thought that's a good way of, you know, delivering.

Antonello Croce (host)  24:02

Maybe we have to mention that now the Installation is very easy, because maybe someone tried to install in the past, yeah, yeah.

Mike Teiniker  24:38

But you got to understand that when we started, we had like, one or two or three modules, and you did, we had this system of giving, like a pass, pass key, and I would copy and paste it into a specific, you know, like a field. And that was too much to ask, because people don't know how to cut and paste. It was terrible. Well, but now that we got all of these modules, we needed to invest a lot of time and money into this user interface.

Wolfgang Teiniker  25:08

Yes, so that user interface is used for installing the plug add ons, it's it installs a blender, the correct blender version. It is responsible for updating the software. So all the all the blended for dental users are on board with the latest software, and it gives you notifications on courses and when to update. So that's quite good.

Antonello Croce (host)  25:35

If you're wondering to try the blended for dental out, you can just click how to install the modules after you start the user interface, and the module will be installed automatically. And another question, what if I okay? We mentioned that if I want to become instructor, because nowadays, education is very important, training is very important. So do you have an application form on the on the website?

Wolfgang Teiniker  26:05

Yes, that's correct. So ideally, you'd own the modules you you've spent a little bit of time, you know, you don't just get it today and then tomorrow you want to be an instructor. Just take your time, and when you're confident working. We've got an application on the website. Just fill that out, let us know which is your preferred language, which modules you might want to teach in a course. And then we've got this way of you send us your video. When I say video, you just demonstrate. Say, say you want to make be an instructor in model Designing. You know, you people buy a printer. They need software. I need to make a model. You want to teach that. Just send us a video. Just demonstrate how to make a model. Talk your way through it, and then we will not critique you in a too, too hard. We give you positive feedback in case there's some little, small issues, just to add. And then we say we have a meeting where we you might meet with the agency, and perhaps Michael and myself. And then we give you accreditation. And then you're on your own. You can go and teach, which is great, and then keep in touch with us. In case you want to maybe have us change something in the software, and or you might want to issue your students certificates, vendor for dental course certificates, which is great, yeah. So we got this established structure that we've developed over the last four years.

Antonello Croce (host)  27:47

And the last and the last application are mostly, I've seen that mostly from for Ibar.

Wolfgang Teiniker  27:58

Yes, the eye bars are very popular.

Mike Teiniker  28:06

We find that there's a lot of hybrids, like all on X's, on supported on implants that are made out of zirconia, very heavy material, it can break sometimes, and there's always been a push for, like a metal bar substructure supporting the implants, and then over the top of that, you would put a denture, or, you know, zirconia, or whatever. So we thought that what the best way of dealing with this issue is to reverse engineer. Because if you put the teeth on the arch with the gum and all of that so on, digitally, and you verify that in the mouth and biologically, you've got it in a good position. Patient is happy, esthetically and everything by reverse engineering, which means the Ibar is just a cutting tool. It's a special cutting tool that you design. So you will then make a parallel sided bar on the inside. It's not a bar at that stage. It's just a cutting tool. And once you've designed the cutting tool, you split them apart. So you're left with the the bar, which can be milled out of titanium or something. And then you've got the top shell, the zirconia shell, on top of that. But it is quite sophisticated, because you can go over the top of the teeth. So if you've got, like a pterygoid implant, for example, which is so far in the back of the mouth, that needs to be metal supported. So we can actually make the bar like half in zirconia and half in metal. And in addition to that, we can also make many little bars, so a little bit like these telescopic crowns, yeah, yeah.

Antonello Croce (host)  30:02

We've seen crazy things with this Ibar module.

Wolfgang Teiniker  30:06

So it can set different cement spaces, so people can do it in, you know, one procedure, mill and mill, and then just cement the two together. And a big benefit of having a bar is that say something happens with the teeth, they break or something, it's there's no need to unscrew the bar from the implants and disturb the healing the implant side. So you could just remove that the teeth from the bar, take an impression or scan and then just repair it that way. So no need to remove it from the implants, which is benefits

Mike Teiniker  30:48

For hydro, for hygiene, hygiene as well. You know, if it's correctly designed, you can have a nice metal surface. So there's, there's a lot of benefits that Ibar, and a lot of people are using the Ibar.

Antonello Croce (host)  31:00

And this shows what you just said before, like, I can integrate the blender for dental in my with my existing CAD system. Yes, I export from one CAD, importing Blender4Dental and using Ibar, we've got a few modules like it, because we've got the Ibar. So other dental CAD softwares, like you said, they can make the whatever they want, hybrids, put it into Blender.

Wolfgang Teiniker  31:29

Then we've,  got a milling a milling module, module coming out very soon.You can cut the parallel sides. Awards, also good for other, you know, integrated, and we've got another one. The DACOS articulator.

Mike Teiniker  32:00

Congratulations. Very good idea. But that's another add on which the non blender for dental people can use.

Wolfgang Teiniker  32:11

And of course, next year, jaw motion.

Antonello Croce (host)  32:15

So I think that, yes, we can say that with upcoming module there is, we are working together as a Meta DAC company from me, and Blender4Dental and Ruthinium. So we joined like and developing this new module, which is called the DACOS, where can basically, if you are printing a model. And nowadays we are always printing models with a 3D printing, you want to go back into the articulator without using the plaster with the DACOS module. You can just put it back into the articulator with the magnet system, which is developed thanks to you guys.

Wolfgang Teineker  33:17

That's a great benefit, actually, because when you're printing a denture, for example, you want to fine tune it back the analog way.

Mike Teiniker  33:25

Yeah, and but, and then, whilst some, some people say, Okay, well, I can just use dental stone, but not really entirely. So because sometimes you make it a scan with like, two upper teeth and two lower teeth. There's no indication how these models are articulate. We can see them on the screen, but there's no way you can print them and then re-articulate them. So this is a perfect, perfect solution, solving this problem.

Antonello Croce (host)  33:58

Okay, so we got the Blnder4Dental, starting from model designer, then doing crown bridge, all kind of restoration. We are waiting for the orthodontics, but we know that nowadays it's very important to work with implants. So everyone is working with implants. And how is the situation with the implants library?

Mike Teiniker  34:19

Wolfgang's got a story to tell.

Wolfgang Teiniker  34:21

Yeah. When we first started with Blnder4Dental, it was a real challenge, and I'd send letters to various implant companies. No, no, no, we don't do STL, we only support three CAD software programs. Who's blender for dental? But luckily, we got some on board, and one of those particular is medentica. Medentika is a German company that produces high quality dental implants and components compatible with major implant systems known for precision and durability, which I've always loved and worked for with myself. In the laboratory. We love Medentika, having said that, then other companies jumped on board and some didn't, and we'd say, well, we would now have to refer to, you know, medenica, yeah. And that probably, you know, motivated other implant systems to come on board. I mean, implant parts are very difficult to replicate anyway, so have to be so precise. And nobody in dentistry that I know of would not buy authentic parts. You know, it's we stay with the genuine parts. But STLs can some some of the implant companies modify their components. Okay, only need certain things, like the geometry that fits over the abutment that creates you can't use once modified. Or we might offer implants in a very low resolution, but great for DICOM planning. So there are ways to work around this, and now we've got pretty much most, most implant companies. It gives Blnder4Dental the ability to make implant crowns andall kinds of customer abutmens, yes, all on for all-on-X. So one might ask, yeah, FDA, or all of those things. We do not have FDA, but we have the CE mark for Europe, and we have the TGA equivalent for Australia, but we getting more recognition on board.

Antonello Croce (host)  36:47

That's good. That's good updating. And so if we want to meet the B4D brothers, where can we come? There are two big events upcoming in the next 2025, year, so are you attending AEEDC and IDS?

Mike Teiniker  37:06

Yeah, we've had a bit of restructuring going on. Coming from Australia, I have moved to Dubai. If you look at globally, the Gold Coast, Brisbane is far away, very difficult to hold courses, even you know, like customer service, you know the time, the timing is very difficult. So with me, being in Dubai is really good. Well, Wolfgang stays in Australia

Wolfgang Teiniker  37:36

It's a great centralized location. For example, in our course, we have people come from Hong Kong and Malaysia and in Europe, it's it's just one flight. We don't have to spend hours and hours in the plane to go to Australia. Having said that, Australian beaches are beautiful.

Mike Teiniker   37:55

The water is not as warm, though

Wolfgang Teiniker  37:59

Fair enough. Yeah, but coming back to your question is that we do attend trade shows. The AEEDC, e're going to have a small participation. Unfortunately, the the IDS and attic are very close to each other, but two years ago, we were at the IDS, and this time around, it's going to be phenomenal. Yeah, so we plan to have speakers, and most of those are instructors who have come forward. Yes, I want to have in different ways, speaking Spanish. You know, I want to do this demonstration and advertise their own course in turn, and so we've got a full we'll have a full schedule of demonstrations over IDS, which we're looking forward to.

Mike Teiniker  38:50

We need networking, integration with other companies to make the whole Blnder4Dental a better or a pleasurable user experience. We want this to be a smooth flow, like I've said. It's not necessarily competition, but we'd like to contribute something to the dental community, whether it's a dentist or dental laboratory. We want to ultimately, it's all for the patient, you know. So it's not just software. It's all to give the patient a better experience and to provide a healthier oral environment. This is why we are even here. So I think we just want to, you know, make things as best as what we possibly can.

Antonello Croce (host)  39:39

And we have seen this from the scratch. So Blender, we start with the Blender, which is an open source software. Blnder4Dental developed all the plugins to make this software available for dentistry. And we can do from a model, crown, bridge, implant, restoration. We've understood that the next project might be orthodontics module, and we are all looking forward to see this software growing very fast. Thanks Remedico for sponsoring this podcast. This is the NEXT DENTAL podcast. Please subscribe ot on Apple Podcasts, YouTube and all other platforms. Thank you.

Mike Teiniker  40:27

Great. Thanks, guys.

Wolfgang Teiniker  40:28

Thanks guys. Cheers. Bye.